[Eug-lug] iPhone expanded: to (NOT MS Milan!) cool input devices & methods

[Brian Gallagher]

The gig on the gyro mouse is its a more neutral hand position and
ambidextrous design, but I doubt I'm telling you anything you don't already
know.

Its a matter of the gyro loosing reference and needing constant reset...and
don't I know a little about gyro's, accelerometers, and inertial guidance.

I will be buying the G-Mouse, but I think I will puzzle a design out of
spare mice over the summer.  I considered taking my Logitech marble track
ball and drilling a hole in it;  then  attaching a  three foot long stick to
it.  placing it on the floor, yada, yada.

Later

P.S. got my wireless keyboard working again by moving it to another system.
Before I tried everything: reset upteen times and batteries out overnight,
whatever!


On 6/15/07, Ben Barrett <stircrazyben at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Right -- they're apples and ... orange farm machinery.
> The gyro mouse offers little more to the computer than any other mouse,
> AFAIK, unless maybe you mess with the winders drivows, :)
> The more advanced input devices offer much more, but then of course
> tend to rely on app-specific drivers.
>
> In related news, I had the input-device fever about a year ago, and
> acquired
> both a small graphire tablet, and also a Contour jog/shuttle dial.  YMMV,
> but
> I've found the jog/shuttle to be the best accomplice to the mouse, so far,
>
> for most general use.  It also has app-specific drivers, but AFAICT the
> jog/shuttle
> maps to scrolling by default, which can be helpful to be able to scroll a
> little or a
> lot, separate from the mouse....
> this kind of setup might best be cheaply emulated by using a 2nd
> dual-scrolling
> mouse, in Xwindows, and using just those two scroll wheels (remove ball or
> tape
> over optical sensor), with the "other hand" (aside from regular mouse
> use)...
> although the jog/shuttle has 5 buttons of its own, this allows for finer
> control as
> you might imagine.  I forget how many weeks ago, but we had a recent
> discussion
> of using a 2nd or 3rd mouse just to have a button (or maybe scroll wheel)
> available
> to ones *feet*... :)
>
> ciao,
>
> ben
>
>
> On 6/15/07, larry price <laprice at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > something like this
> >
> > http://www.mpb-technologies.ca/mpbt/haptics/hand_controllers/cubic/cubi=
c.html
> >
> >
> > On 6/15/07, Brian Gallagher < bilbobaggab at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The SpaceNavigator from 3dconnexion was what I was going to buy before
> > I saw
> > > the in-air mouse from Gyration.  I've got a bad feeling about the
> > mouse's
> > > performance for CAD (based on price,) but I got to try.
> > >
> > >  I did see this Praying Mantis looking input device (pen mounted to a
> > > parallelogram armature that swiveled on a base) that a guy was using
> > in the
> > > bonus materials of some CGI movie, (Incredibles?) I can't
> > remember.  It
> > > looked one of a kind and very expensive.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/15/07, Bob Miller < kbob at jogger-egg.com> wrote:
> > > > Ben Barrett wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > So, Xwindows experts:  Anyone care to comment on how deeply X
> > would have
> > > > > to be re-engineered to handle multiple points of input?
> > > >
> > > > Oooh, ooh, I get to pretend I'm an expert! (-:
> > > >
> > > > X already handles multiple input devices.  At this very moment my
> > > > laptop has a trackpad, a trackpoint, and a USB mouse, and I can use
> > > > any/all of them to push the cursor around.  (When I'm at home, I use
> > > > all those PLUS synergy to push it around from another computer's
> > > > mouse.)
> > > >
> > > > But I think you're asking for multiple cursors.  That's harder.
> > > > There's a deep relationship between the cursor focus and the
> > keyboard
> > > > focus, and if you added more cursors, you'd have to define how
> > > > they all affect keyboard focus.  Among other things.
> > > >
> > > > I've worked with applications that used separate pointer input
> > > > devices, but they didn't access the device through X.  For example,
> > > > AVS (Advanced Visualization System, www.avs.com) could use a
> > Spaceball
> > > > (a 6-axis input device, www.3dconnexion.com) in addition to a mouse.
> > > > The mouse went through X, and the Spaceball always went directly to
> > a
> > > > 3D viewport.
> > > >
> > > > I've seen CAD systems with similar things (mouse plus pen input),
> > and
> > > > I've seen experienced users work them in both hands very
> > productively.
> > > > Sorry, I can't remember the name of the CAD system.  It was an
> > > > integrated HW/SW product from the 1980s.
> > > >
> > > > But those are both specialized apps that bypass X for at least one
> > of
> > > > their inputs.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Bob Miller                              K<bob>
> > > >
> > > kbob at jogger-egg.com
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