[Eug-lug] Fwd: question about email hosting solutions

[Michael Miller]

David,

Your not being negative.  The one thing people don't seem to under
stand is e-mail is be default sent though the Internet in clear text.
I do all of my communications to my lawyer via the USPS.  I did not
know you where stuck using the web interface for google domains.  I
think you can download it and route all of your e-mail via any MTA and
then read your e-mail via pine or any MUA.

Mike Miller

On 11/20/06, David Mandel <dmandel at pdxlinux.org> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> I have been bouncing some of my mail thru gmail accounts for a whille
> to use Google's SPAM filters with good success - assuming one doesn't
> mind letting Google look at and analyze all of your email.
>
> But at this point, I'm thinking about using gmail for domains.
> In fact, I am testing the system with DavidMandel.com (and dmandel at pdxLinux.org)
> and one or two other domains.
> So far I see good things and bad things and don't know how they will balance.
>
> Good Things:
>    (1)  It is free
>    (2)  It is easy to use and not too bad to configure
>    (3)  It has large (maybe even huge) storage limits.
>    (4)  I like the SPAM filtering and the message tagging
>          (labeling in google talk)
>    (5)  One can easily use gmail's POP or automatic forwarding to keep a copy
>          of everything on your own machine.
>          I don't trust anyone enough to let them have the only copy of my mail.
>    (6)  The labels and filters and SPAM system works well.
>    (7)  The interface is as nice as a web interface can be.
>
> Bad Things:
>    (1)  There are security and privacy issues
>          Do you really want communications to your lawyer and accountant and
>          business partners on google servers?
>    (2)  There is no support for secure communications, imap, procmail, pgp,
>           and a number of other things.
>    (3)  I don't know anything about a gmail API if there is one.
>          I'm not sure how one would integrate gmail with something like mailman
>          on a personal server.  Gmail's mailing lists are extremely basic and
>          while useful can't replace sophisticated mailing lists like mailman.
>    (4)  There isn't a good way to upload existing mail to your gmail account.
>    (5)  You are stuck using a web interface.
>          Personally, I like pine or emacs to read and write mail.
>          I know these aren't modern, but they are very efficient.
>    (6)  One is limited to adding 25 accounts per domain.
>          This works for all of my domains, but just barely.
>
> I don't want this to sound too negative.
> To date things have been going pretty well with my "gmail for domains" test,
> but it is still too early to know for sure.
>
> I host my own web services and don't mind doing this, because I don't
> know of anyone who provides to type of services I want at a price I'm
> willing to pay.  However, my needs for mail services are rather basic
> and it is too time consuming and painful to continue hosting them
> myself.  So am looking for a cheap, easy, hosting solution.
> Gmail for domains may well be the answer.
>
> David Mandel
>
> On 11/20/06, Michael Miller <mike.mikemiller at gmail.com> wrote:
> > David,
> >
> > You should look at gmail.  I've only received two or three spam
> > messages with my gmail account.  I mark them as spam and I don't see
> > that type of message again.
> >
> > Mike Miller
> >
> > On 11/19/06, Ben Barrett <stircrazyben at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I love gmail's labels (as opposed to folders, which allow no overlap in
> > > context-tagging).
> > > Their recent application additions are awesome, and I like their calendar
> > > too... I have not used their "for domains" service yet, but am curious to
> > > see what differences exist in the domain/organization implementation.  Group
> > > calendaring is hot.  :)   I also like their txt-msg appointment reminders,
> > > fwiw.
> > > YMMV, of course, and IMAP, heh, well traditional folders are kind of
> > > limited, dare I say,
> > > and I can see why they don't provide it -- how would you stuff a tag cloud
> > > into bins?
> > >
> > > As for the run-of-the-mill hosting services... if your spam volume is low
> > > enough (and, er, your users' bandwidth is high enough),
> > > you can let nice mail clients like thunderbird handle it (albeit with a
> > > touch of training).  I haven't seen any run-of-the-mill hosting
> > > services which include SpamAssassin, but then again I haven't been looking
> > > :)
> > >
> > > I've become a reseller for web hosting recently, contact me off-list if
> > > you're interested.  I am pleased with the service so far, nuff said.
> > >
> > > good luck!
> > >
> > >     Ben
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/19/06, David Mandel <dmandel at pdxlinux.org> wrote:
> > > > Hosting email should be simple, but it isn't - thanks to all the
> > > > SPAMERS and system crackers and whoever.
> > > >
> > > > As a result, I'm tryed of hosting my own mail and I'm looking around
> > > > for a hosted solution for a few domains.  What do people recommend?
> > > > What are the pros and cons to gmail for domains?
> > > >
> > > > David Mandel
> > >
> > >
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